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Saturday, February 8, 2025

A Call From Chuck

I was speaking with a client this week. He told me that he recently retired and his financial advisor recommended he discuss a matter with me.

Me:              So, what are we going to talk about?”

Chuck:         I worked for Costco for many years.”

Me:              OK.”

Chuck:         I bought their stock all along.”

Me:              Not sure where this is going. Are you diversifying?”

Chuck:         Have you heard of Net Unrealized Appreciation?”

Me:              Sure have, but how does that apply to you?”

That was not my finest moment. I did not immediately register that Chuck had – for many years – bought Costco stock inside of his 401(k).

Take a look at this stock chart: 


Costco stock was at $313 on February 7, 2020. Five years later it is at $1,043.

It has appreciated – a lot.

I missed the boat on that one.

The appreciation is unrealized because Chuck has not sold the stock.

The difference between the total value of the Costco stock in his 401(k) and his cost in the stock (that is, the amount he paid over the years buying Costco) is the net unrealized appreciation, abbreviated “NUA” and commonly pronounced (NEW-AHH).

And Chuck has a tax option that I was not expecting. His financial advisor did a good job of spotting it.

Let’s make up a few numbers as we talk about the opportunity here.

Say Chuck has 800 shares. At a price of $1,043, the stock is worth $834,400.

Say his average cost is 20 cents on the dollar: $834,400 times 20% = cost of $166,880.

Chuck also owns stocks other than Costco in his 401(k). We will say those stocks are worth $165,600, bring the total value of his 401(k) to an even $1 million.

Chuck retires. What is the likely thing he will do with that 401(k)?

He will rollover the 401(k) to an IRA with Fidelity, T Rowe, Vanguard, or someone like that.

He may wait or not, but eventually he will start taking distributions from the IRA. If he delays long enough the government will force him via required minimum distributions (RMDs).

How is the money taxed when distributed from the IRA?

It is taxed as ordinary income, meaning one can potentially run through all the ordinary tax rates.

It was not that long ago (1980) that the maximum tax rate was 70%. Granted, one would need a lot of income to climb through the rates and get to 70%. But people did. Can you imagine the government forcing you to take a distribution and then taking seventy cents on the dollar as its cut?

Hey, you say. What about those capital gains in the 401(k)?  Is there no tax pop there?

Think of a 401(k) as Las Vegas. What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas. What leaves Las Vegas is ordinary income.

And that gets us to net unrealized appreciation. Congress saw the possible unfairness of someone owning stock in a regular, ordinary taxable brokerage account rather than a tax-deferred retirement account. The ordinary taxable account can have long-term capital gains. The retirement account cannot.

Back to NEW-AHH.

How much is in that 401(k)?

A million dollars.

How much of that is Costco?

$834,400.

Let’s roll the Costco stock to a taxable brokerage account. Let’s roll the balance ($165,600) to an IRA.

This would normally be financial suicide, as stock going to a taxable account is considered a distribution. Distributions from an IRA are ordinary income. How much is ordinary income tax on $834,400? I can assure you it exceeds my ATM withdrawal limit.

Here is the NUA option:

You pay ordinary tax on your cost - not the value - in that Costco stock.

OK, that knocks it down to tax on $166,880.

It still a lot, but it is substantially less than the general rule.

Does that mean you never pay tax on the appreciation – the $667,520?

Please. Of course you will, eventually. But you now have two potentially huge tax planning options.

First, hold the stock for at least a year and a day and you will pay long-term capital gains (rather than ordinary income tax) rates on the gain.

QUIZ: Let’s say that the above numbers stayed static for a year and a day. You then sold all the stock. How much is your gain? It is $667,520 (that is, $834,400 minus $166,880). You get credit (called “basis” in this context) for the income you previously reported.

What is the second option?

You control when you sell the stock. If you want to sell a bit every year, you can delay paying taxes for years, maybe decades. Contrast this with MRDs, where the government forces you to distribute money from the account.

So why wouldn’t everybody go NUA?

Well, one reason is that (in our example) you pony up cash equal to the tax on the $166,880. I suppose you could sell some of the Costco stock to provide the cash, but that would create another gain triggering another round of tax.

A second reason is your specific tax situation. If you just leave it alone, distributions from a normal retirement account would be taxable as ordinary income. If you NUA, you are paying tax now for the possibility of paying reduced tax in the future. Take two people with differing incomes and taxes and whatnot and you might arrive at two different answers.

Here are high-profile points to remember about net unrealized appreciation:

(1)  There must exist a retirement account at work.

(2)  There must be company stock in that retirement account.

(3)  There is a qualified triggering event. The likely one is that you retired.

(4)  There must be a lump-sum distribution out of that retirement account. At the end of the day, the retirement account must be empty.

(5)  The stock part of the retirement account goes one way (to a taxable account), and the balance goes another way (probably to an IRA).

(6)  The stock must be distributed in kind. Selling the stock and rolling the cash will not work.

BTW taking advantage of NUA does not have to be all or nothing. We used $834,400 as the value of the Costco stock in the above example. You can NUA all of that – or just a portion. Let’s say that you want to NUA $400,000 of the $834,400. Can you do that? Of course you can.

Chuck has a tax decision that I will never have.

Why is that?

CPA firms do not have traded stock.

Tuesday, March 5, 2024

IRS Gets Called Out In Offer In Compromise Case

 

I am looking at an offer in compromise (OIC) case.

These cases are almost futile for a taxpayer, as the Tax Court extends broad deference to the IRS in its analysis of and determinations on OICs. To win requires one to show that the IRS acted in bad faith.

COMMENT: I have soured on OICs as the years have gone by. Those commercials for “pennies on the dollar” stir unreasonable expectations and do not help. OICs are designed for people who have experienced a reversal of fortune - illness, unemployment, disability, or whatnot – which affect their ability to pay their taxes. It is not meant for someone who is irresponsible or inexplicably unfettered by decency or the responsibilities of the human condition. Not too long ago, for example, one of the clients wanted us to pursue an OIC, as he has racked up impressive tax debt but has no cash. I refused to be involved. Why? Because his cash is going to construct a $2-plus million dollar home. I am very pro-taxpayer, but this is not that. Were it up to me, we would fire him as a client.

Let’s look at the Whittaker case.

Mr. W is a veteran and was a self-employed personal trainer. Mrs. W worked in a local school district and had a side gig as a mall security guard. They were also very close to retirement.

The Ws owed everybody, it seems: a mortgage, student loans, the IRS, the state of Minnesota and so on.

In 2018 the IRS sent a notice of intent to levy.

The Ws requested a collection due process (CDP) hearing.

COMMENT: The Ws were represented by the University of Minnesota tax clinic, giving students a chance to represent clients before the IRS and courts.

The IRS of course wanted numbers: the Form 433 paperwork detailing income, expenses, assets, debt and so forth.

The Ws owed the IRS approximately $33 grand. The clinic calculated their reasonable collection potential as $1,629. They submitted a 20% payment of $325.80, per the rules, along with their OIC.

In the offer, the Ws stressed that their age and difficult financial situation meant that soon they would have to rely on retirement savings as a source of income rather than as a nest egg. Their house was in disrepair and had an unusual mortgage, meaning that it was extremely unlikely it could be refinanced to free up cash.

The IRS has a unit - the Centralized Offer in Compromise unit – that stepped in next. Someone at the unit calculated the Ws’ RCP as $250,000, which is wildly different from $1,629. The unit spoke with representatives at the clinic about the bad news. The clinic in turn emphasized special circumstances that the Ws brought to the table.  

That impasse transferred the OIC file to Appeals.

It was now March 2020.

Remember what happened in March 2020?

COVID.

The two sides finally spoke in September.

Appeals agreed with an RCP of $250 grand. The Settlement Officer (SO) figured that the Ws could draw retirement monies to pay-off the IRS.

Meanwhile Mr. W had retired and Mrs. W was gigging at the mall only two weekends a month.

The SO was not changing her mind. She figured that Mrs. W must have a pension from the school. She also surmised that Mr. W’s military pension must be $2,253 per month rather than $1,394. How did she know all this? Magic, I guess.

The W’s argued that they could not borrow against the house. They had refinanced it under something called the Home Affordability Refinance Program, which helps homeowners owing more than their house is worth. A ballon payment was due in 2034, and refinancing a house that is underwater is nearly impossible.

This did not concern the SO. She saw an assessed value of $243,000 on the internet, subtracted an $85 thousand mortgage, which left plenty of cash. The W’s pointed out that there was deferred maintenance on the house – a LOT of deferred maintenance. Between the impossible mortgage and the deferred maintenance, the house should be valued – they argued – at zero.

Nope, said the SO. The Ws could access their retirement to pay the tax. They did not have to involve the house, so the mortgage and deferred maintenance was a nonfactor. She then cautioned the W’s not to withdraw retirement monies for any reason other than the IRS. If they did so, she would consider the assets as “dissipated.” That is a bad thing.

Off to Tax Court they went. Remember my comment earlier: low chance of success. What choice did the Ws have? At least they were well represented by the tax clinic.

The Court saw three key issues.

Retirement Account

The W’s led off with a great argument:

 

  

This is Internal Revenue Manual 5.8.5.10, which states that a taxpayer within one year of retirement may have his/her retirement account(s) treated as income rather than as an asset. This is critical, as it means the IRS should not force someone to empty their 401(k) to pay off tax debt.

The SO was unmoved. The IRM says that the IRS “may” but does not say “must.”

Yep, that is the warm and fuzzy we expect from the IRS.

The Court acknowledged:

We see no erroneous view of the law and no clearly erroneous assessment of facts.”

But the Court was not pleased with the IRS:

But there may be a problem for the Commissioner – this reasoning didn’t make it into the notice of determination …”

The “notice of determination” comment is the Court saying the files were sloppy. The IRS must do certain things in a certain order, especially with OICs. Sloppy won’t cut it.

Home Equity

The W’s had offered to provide additional information on the loan terms, the deferred repairs to the house, the unwillingness of the banks to refinance.

The IRS worked from assessed values.

It is like the two were talking past each other.

Here is the Court:

The IRS does need to take problems with possible refinancing a home seriously.”

The Whittakers have a point – there’s nothing in the administrative record that states or even suggests that the examiner at the Unit or the settlement officer during the CDP hearing asked for any information in addition to the appraised value.”

There is no evidence in the record of any consideration of the Whittakers’ arguments on this point.”

Oh, oh.

Here is the first slam:

We therefore find that the settlement officer’s conclusion about the Whittaker’s ability to tap the equity in their home was clearly erroneous on this record. This makes her reliance on that equity in her RCP calculations an abuse of discretion.”

COVID

The W’s had alerted the IRS that Mr. W had completely retired and Mrs. W was working only two weekends a month. The SO disregarded the matter, reasoning that the W’s had enough pension income to compensate.

Which pension, you ask? Would that include the pension the SO unilaterally increased from $1,394 to $2,253 monthly?

The Commissioner now concedes that the settlement officer was mistaken, and that Mr. Whittaker had a military pension of only $1,394 per month.”

Oops.

There was the second slam.

The IRS – perhaps embarrassed – went on to note that the Mall of America opened after being COVID-closed for three months. Speaking of COVID, the lockdown had inspired a nationwide surge in demand for fitness equipment. Say …, wasn’t Mr. W a personal fitness trainer?

The Court erupted:

Upholding the rejection of the Whittakers’ offer because Mrs. Whittaker’s mall job may have resumed or Mr. Whittaker might be able to run a training business using potential clients’ possible pandemic purchases is entirely speculative.”

True that.

The settlement officer ‘did not think that the loss of the Whittaker’s wage income or self-employment income … sufficiently mattered to justify reworking the Offer Worksheet.’”

The Court was getting heated.

The settlement officer’s explicit refusal to rework the worksheet despite the very considerable discrepancy in the calculation before and after the pandemic is a clear error and thus an abuse of discretion.”

The Court remanded the matter back to IRS Appeals with clear instructions to get it right. It explicitly told the IRS to consider the material change in the Ws’ circumstances – changes that happened during the CDP hearing itself - and their ability to pay.

We said earlier “almost futile.” We did not say futile. The Ws won and are headed back to IRS Appeals to revisit the OIC.

Our case this time was Whittaker v Commissioner, T.C. Memo 2023-59.