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Sunday, June 15, 2025

Use Of Wrong Form Costs A Tax Refund


Let’s talk about the following Regulation:

26 CFR § 301.6402-2

Claims for credit or refund

(b) Grounds set forth in claim.

(1) No refund or credit will be allowed after the expiration of the statutory period of limitation applicable to the filing of a claim therefor except upon one or more of the grounds set forth in a claim filed before the expiration of such period. The claim must set forth in detail each ground upon which a credit or refund is claimed and facts sufficient to apprise the Commissioner of the exact basis thereof. The statement of the grounds and facts must be verified by a written declaration that it is made under the penalties of perjury. A claim which does not comply with this paragraph will not be considered for any purpose as a claim for refund or credit.

That last sentence is critical and – potentially – punishing.

I suspect the most common “claim for refund” is an amended return. There are other ways to claim, however, depending on the tax at issue. For example, businesses requested refunds of federal payroll taxes under the employee retention credit (“ERC”) program by filing Form 941-X. You or I would (more likely) file our claim for refund on Form 1040-X. 

File a 1040-X and the tax “variance doctrine” comes into play. This means that the filing must substantially inform the IRS of the grounds and reasons that one is requesting a refund. Both parties have responsibilities in tax administration. A taxpayer must adequately apprise so the IRS can consider the request without further investigation or the time and expense of litigation.

Here is a Court on this point in Charter Co v United States:

The law requires a taxpayer “to do more than give the government a good lead based on the government’s ability to infer interconnectedness.”

Another way to say this is that the IRS is not required to go all Sherlock Holmes to figure out what you are talking about. 

Let’s look at the Shleifer case.

Scott Shleifer was a partner in an investment firm. He travelled domestically and abroad to investigate new and existing investment opportunities. Scott was not a fan of commercial airfare, so he used his personal plane. He waived off reimbursement from the partnership for his air travel.

COMMENT: Scott is different from you or me.

The Shleifers filed their 2014 joint individual tax return. Whereas it is not stated in the case, we can assume that their 2014 return was extended to October 15, 2015.

In October 2018 they filed an amended return requesting a refund of almost $1.9 million.

COMMENT: And there you have your claim. In addition, notice that the two Octobers were three years apart. Remember that the statute of limitations for amending a return is three years. Coincidence? No, no coincidence.

What drove the amended return was depreciation on the plane. The accountant put the depreciation on Schedule C. It was – in fact – the only number on the Schedule C.

In July 2020 the IRS selected the amended return for audit.

COMMENT: A refund of almost $1.9 million will do that.

The Shleifer’s accountant represented them throughout the audit.

In March 2022 the IRS denied the refund.

Why?

Look at the Schedule C header above. It refers to a profit or loss “from business.” Scott was not “in business” with his plane. It instead was his personal plane. He did not sell tickets for flights on his plane. He did not rent or lease the plane for other pilots to use. It was a personal asset, a toy if you will, and perhaps comparable to a very high-end car. Granted, he sometimes used the plane for business purposes, but it did not cease being his toy. What it wasn’t was a business.

The accountant put the depreciation on the wrong form.

As a partner, Scott would have received a Schedule K-1 from the investment partnership. The business income thereon would have been reported on his Schedule E. While the letters C and E are close together in the alphabet, these forms represent different things. For example:

·       There must be a trade or business to file a Schedule C. Lack of said trade or business is a common denominator in the “hobby loss” cases that populate tax literature.

·       A partnership must be in a trade or business to file Schedule E. A partner himself/herself does not need to be active or participating. The testing of trade or business is done at the partnership - not the partner - level.

·       A partner can and might incur expenses on behalf of a partnership. White there are requirements (it’s tax: there are always requirements), a partner might be able to show those expenses along with the Schedule K-1 numbers on his/her Schedule E. This does have the elegance of keeping the partnership numbers close together on the same form.   

After the audit went south, the accountant explained to the IRS examiner that he was now preparing, and Scott was now reporting the airplane expenses as unreimbursed partner expenses. He further commented that the arithmetic was the same whether the airplane expenses were reported on Schedule C or on Schedule E. The examiner seemed to agree, as he noted in his report that the depreciation might have been valid for 2014 if only the accountant had put the number on the correct form.

You know the matter went to litigation.

The Shleifers had several arguments, including the conversation the accountant had with the examiner (doesn’t that count for something?); that they met the substantive requirements for a depreciation deduction; and that the IRS was well aware that their claim for refund was due to depreciation on a plane.

The Court nonetheless decided in favor of the IRS.

Why?

Go back to the last sentence of Reg 301.6402-2(b)(1):

A claim which does not comply with this paragraph will not be considered for any purpose as a claim for refund or credit.

The Shleifers did not file a valid refund claim that the Court could review.

Here is the Court:

Although the mistake was costly and the result is harsh …”

Yes, it was.

What do I think?

You see here the ongoing tension between complying with the technical requirements of the Code and substantially complying with its spirit and intent.

I find it hard to believe that the IRS – at some point – did not realize that the depreciation deduction related to a business in which Scott was a partner. However, did the IRS have the authority to “move” the depreciation from one form to another? Then again, they did not have to. The accountant was right: the arithmetic worked out the same. All the IRS had to do was close the file and … move on.

But the IRS also had a point. The audit of Schedule C is different from that of Schedule E. For example, we mentioned earlier that there are requirements for claiming partnership expenses paid directly by a partner. Had the examiner known this, he likely would have wanted partnership documents, such as any reimbursement policy for these expenses. Granted, the examiner may have realized this as the audit went along, but the IRS did not know this when it selected the return for audit. I personally suspect the IRS would not have audited the return had the depreciation been reported correctly as a partner expense. 

And there you have the reason for the variance doctrine: the IRS has the right to rely on taxpayer representations in performing its tax administration. The IRS would have relied on these representations when it issued a $1.9 million refund – or selected the return for audit.

What a taxpayer cannot do is play bait and switch.

Our case this time was Shleifer v United States, U.S. District Court, So District Fla, Case #24-CV-80713-Rosenberg.

Sunday, September 17, 2023

Unforced Error on Short Stop

 I am reading a case concerning interest expense. While I have seen similar accounting, I do not recall seeing it done as aggressively.

Let’s talk about it.

Bob and Michelle Boyum lived in Minnesota and owned a company named Short Stop Electric. Bob was primarily responsible for running the company. Michelle had some administrative duties, but she was mostly responsible for raising the nine Boyum children.

Short Stop was a C corporation.

Odd, methinks. Apparently, the Court thought so also:

One might regard this as an eccentric choice for a small, privately owned business because income from C corporations is taxed twice.”

Let’s talk about this taxed-twice issue, as it is a significant one for tax advisors to entrepreneurial and closely held companies.

Let’s say that you start a company and capitalize it with a $100 grand. Taxwise, there are two things going on.

At the company level you have:

                   Cash                     100,000

                   Equity                 (100,000)                                 

The only thing the company has is the $100 grand you put in. If it were to liquidate right now, there would be no gain, loss, or other income to the company, as there is no appreciation (that is, deferred profit) in its sole asset – cash.

At a personal level, you would own stock with a basis of $100 grand. If the company liquidated and distributed its $100 grand, your gain, loss, or other income would be:

          $100 grand (cash) - $100 grand (basis in stock) = -0-

Make sense.

Let’s introduce a change: the company buys a piece of land for $100 grand.

At the company level you now have:

                   Land                     100,000

                   Equity                 (100,000)

Generally accepted accounting records the land at its acquisition cost, not its fair market value.

Now the change: the land skyrockets. It is now worth $5 million. You decide to sell because … well because $5 million is $5 million.

Is there tax to the company on the way out?

You betcha, and here it is:

          $5 million - $100 grand in basis = $4.9 million of gain

          Times 21% tax rate = $1,029,000 in federal tax

          $5 million - 1,029,000 tax = $3,971,000 distributed to you

Is there tax to you on the way out?

Yep, and here it is:

          $3,971,000 - 100,000 (basis in stock) = $3,871,000 gain

          $3,871,000 times 23.8% = $921,298 in federal tax

Let’s summarize.

How much money did the land sell for?

$5 million.

How much of it went to the IRS?

$1,950,298

What is that as a percentage?

39%

Is that high or low?

A lot of people - including me - think that is high. And that 39% does not include state tax.

What causes it is the same money being taxed twice – once to the corporation and again to the shareholder.

BTW there is a sibling to the above: payment of dividends by a C corporation. Either dividends or liquidation will get you to double taxation. It is expensive money.

Since the mid-80s tax advisors to entrepreneurial and closely held businesses have rarely advised use of a C corporation. We leave those to the Fortune 1000 and perhaps to buyout-oriented technology companies on the west coast. Most of our business clients are going to be S corporations or LLCs.

Why?

Because S corporations and LLCs allow us to adjust our basis in the company (in the example above, shareholder basis in stock was $100 grand) as the company makes or loses money. If it makes $40 grand, shareholder basis becomes $140 grand. If it then loses $15 grand, basis becomes $100 grand + $40 grand - $15 grand = $125 grand. 

The reason is that the shareholder includes business income on his/her individual return and pays taxes on the sum of business and personal income. The effect is to mitigate (or eliminate) the second tax – the tax to the shareholder – upon payment of a dividend or upon liquidation.

Back to our case: that is why the Court said that Short Stop being a C corporation was “an eccentric choice.”

However, Bob had a plan.

Bob lent money to Short Stop for use in its business operations.

Happens all the time. So what?

Bob would have Short Stop pay interest on the loan.

Again: so what?

The “what” is that no one – Short Stop, Bob, or the man on the moon – knew what interest rate Bob was going to charge Short Stop. After the company accounting was in, Bob would decide how much to reduce Short Stop’s profit. He would use that number as interest expense for the year. This also meant that the concept of an interest rate did not apply, as interest was just a plug to get the company profit where Bob wanted.   

What Bob was doing was clever.

There would be less retained business profit potentially subject to double taxation.

There were problems, though.

The first problem was that Bob had been audited on the loan and interest issue before. The agent had previously decided on a “no change” as Bob appeared receptive, eager to learn and aware that the government did not consider his accounting to be valid.

On second audit for the same issue, Bob had become a recidivist.

The second problem was: Short Stop never wrote a check which Bob deposited in his own bank account. Instead, Short Stop made an accounting entry “as if” the interest had been paid. Short Stop was a cash-basis taxpayer. Top of the line documentation for interest paid would be a cancelled check from Short Stop’s bank account. Fail to write that check and you just handed the IRS dry powder.

The third problem is that transactions between a company and its shareholder are subject to increased scrutiny. The IRS caught it, disallowed it, and wanted to penalize it. There are variable interest rates and what not, but that is not what Bob was doing. There was no real interest rate here. Bob was plugging interest expense, and the resulting interest rate was nonsensical arithmetic. If Bob wanted the transaction to be respected as a loan and interest thereon, Bob had to follow normal protocol: you know, the way Bank of America, Fifth Third or Truist loan money. Charge an interest rate, establish a payment schedule, perhaps obtain collateral. What Bob was doing was much closer to paying a dividend than paying interest. Fine, but dividends are not deductible.

To his credit, Bob had been picking up Short Stop’s interest expense as interest income on his personal return every year. This was not a case where numbers magically “disappeared” from one tax return to another. It was aggressive but not fraud.

Bob nonetheless lost. The Court disallowed the interest deductions and allowed the penalties.

My thoughts?

Why Bob, why? I get the accounting, but you were redlining a tax vehicle to get to your destination. You could have set it to cruise control (i.e., elect S status), relaxed and just …moved … on.

Our case this time was Short Stop Electric v Commissioner, T.C. Memo 2023-114.

Sunday, September 26, 2021

Section 1202 Stock And A House Tax Proposal


I am not a fan of fickleness and caprice in the tax law.

I am seeing a tax proposal in the House Ways and Means Committee that represents one.

It has been several years since we spoke about qualified small business stock (QSBS). Tax practice is acronym rich, and one of the reasons is to shortcut who qualifies – and does not qualify – for a certain tax provision. Section 1202 defines QSBS as stock:

·      issued by a C corporation,

·      with less than $50 million in assets at time of stock issuance,

·      engaged in an active trade or business,

·      acquired at original issuance by an eligible shareholder in exchange for either cash or services provided, and

·      held for at least five years.

The purpose of this provision is to encourage – supposedly – business start-ups.

How?

A portion of the gain is not taxed when one sells the stock.

This provision has been out there for approximately 30 years, and the portion not taxed has changed over time. Early on, one excluded 50% (up to a point); it then became 75% and is now 100% (again, up to a point).

What is that point?

The amount of gain that can be excluded is the greater of:


·      $10 million, or

·      10 times the taxpayer’s basis in the stock disposed

Sweet.

Does that mean I sell my tax practice for megabucks, all the while excluding $10 million of gain?

Well, no. Accounting practices do not qualify for Section 1202. Not to feel singled- out, law and medical practices do not qualify either.

I have seen very few Section 1202 transactions over the years. I believe there are two primary reasons for this:

                 

(a)  I came into the profession near the time of the 1986 Tax Reform Act, which single-handedly tilted choice-of-entity for entrepreneurial companies from C to S corporations. Without going into details, the issue with a C corporation is getting money out without paying double tax. It is not an issue if one is talking about paying salary or rent, as one side deducts and the other side reports income. It is however an issue when the business is sold. The S corporation allows one to mitigate (or altogether avoid) the double tax in this situation. Overnight the S corporation became the entity of choice for entrepreneurial and closely-held companies. There has been some change in recent years as LLCs have gained popularity, but the C corporation continues to be out-of-favor for non-Wall Street companies. 

 

(b)  The sale of entrepreneurial and closely-held companies is rarely done as a stock purchase, a requirement for Section 1202 stock. These companies sell their assets, not their stock. Stock acquisitions are more a Wall Street phenomenon.

So, who benefits from Section 1202?

A company that would be acquired via a stock purchase. Someone like … a tech start-up, for example. How sweet it would have been to be an early investor in Uber or Ring, for example. And remember: the $10 million cap is per investor. Take hundreds of qualifying investors and you can multiply that $10 million by hundreds.

You can see the loss to the Treasury.

Is it worth it?

There has been criticism that perhaps the real-world beneficiaries of Section 1202 are not what was intended many years ago when this provision entered the tax Code.

I get it.

So what is the House Ways and Means Committee proposing concerning Section 1202?

They propose to cut the exclusion to 50% from 100% for taxpayers with adjusted gross income (AGI) over $400 grand and for sales after September 13, 2021.

Set aside the $400 grand AGI. That sale might be the only time in life that someone ever got close to or exceeded $400 grand of income.

The issue is sales after September 13, 2021.

It takes at least five years to even qualify for Section 1202. This means that the tax planning for a 2021 sale was done on or before 2016, and now the House wants to retroactively nullify tax law that people relied upon years ago.

Nonsense like this is damaging to normal business. I have made a career representing entrepreneurs and their closely-held businesses. I have been there – first person singular - where business decisions have been modified or scrapped because of tax disincentives. Taxing someone to death clearly qualifies as a business disincentive. So does retroactively changing the rules on a decision that takes years to play out. Mind you – I say that not as a fan of Section 1202.

To me it would make more sense to change the rules only for stock issued after a certain date – say September 13, 2021 – and not for sales after that date. One at least would be forewarned.   

Should bad-faith tax proposals like this concern you?

Well, yes. If our current kakistocracy can do this, what keeps them from retroactively revoking the current tax benefits of your Roth IRA?  How would you feel if you have been following the rules for 20 years, contributing to your Roth, paying taxes currently, all with the understanding that future withdrawals would be tax-free, and meanwhile a future Congress decides to revoke that rule - retroactively?

I can tell you how I would feel.


Sunday, May 9, 2021

IRS Challenges Rent In A Small Town


Let’s look at a case involving rent.

What sets this up is a C corporation in Montana.

A C corporation means that it pays its own tax. Contrast this with an S corporation, which (with rare exception) passes-through its income to its shareholders, who then combine that income with their own income (W-2, interest and dividends) and pay tax personally.

As a generalization, a tax advisor working with entrepreneurial clients is much more likely to work with S corporations (or LLCs, an increasingly popular choice). The reason is simple: a C corporation has two levels of tax: once to the company itself and then to the owners when distributed as dividends. Now that may not be an issue to a Fortune 1000, some of which are larger than certain countries and themselves are near-permanent entities - expected to outlive any current corporate officer or investor. It however is an issue to a closely-held company that will be lucky to transition one generation and unlikely to transition two.

Plentywood Drug is a Montana corporation that operates the only pharmacy in Plentywood, Montana and serves four counties spanning 7,200 square miles.

The company has four owners, representing two families.

It leases a building owned by its four owners.

COMMENT: So far, there is zero unusual about this.

The company paid the following rent:

           2011                       $ 83,584

           2012                       $192,000

           2013                       $192,000

The IRS did not like this one bit.

Why not?

Let’s go tax nerd for a moment. The IRS said that the company was paying too much in rent. Rent is deductible. Excess rent is considered a dividend and is not deductible. The corporation would lose a deduction for its excess rent. The owners however received $192,000, so they are going to be taxed on that amount. How will they be taxed if the IRS ratches-down the rent? The excess will be considered dividends and taxed to them accordingly.

Remember: a C corporation does not get a deduction for dividends. The IRS gets more tax from the company while the individual taxes of the four owners stays the same. It’s a win for the IRS.

An S corporation does not have this issue, as all income of the S is taxed to its owners. This is another reason that tax advisors representing entrepreneurial wealth prefer working with S corporations.

How does the IRS win this?

Well, it has to show that $192,000 is too much rent.

Problem: the town of Plentywood has 1,700 people.

Another problem: Montana is a nondisclosure state, meaning real estate data – such as sales prices – is legally confidential and simply not available.

The IRS brought in its valuation specialist. Third problem: Montanans do not tend to share financial information easily with strangers.

The IRS expert remarked that that he did not identify himself as an IRS agent while he was in Plentywood.

Probably for the best.

Then the IRS expert made a fateful decision: he would base his appraisal solely on Plentywood data.

Well, that should take about half a day.

He looked at the post office, two apartment buildings and a 625-square-foot commercial space.

He did the best he could to compensate by making adjustments: for commercial versus residential, for the safety of the Post Office as a tenant, for Aaron Rodgers possibly leaving the Packers.

The two families brought in their specialist, who supplemented his database by including Williston, North Dakota – the “big town” about an hour away and with a population about eight times the size.

The IRS argued that Williston was simply not comparable.

Here is the Court:

We therefore do not accept the Williston properties as being reasonable comparisons.”

Oh oh.

The two families argued that the IRS specialist was mixing tamarinds and eggplants.

Here is the Court:

His expert used two residential properties in his analysis. Government-subsidized multifamily residential housing is like a retail drugstore in that both are rented. But not in much else.”

You can tell the Court was frustrated.

How about the post office? Both sides used the post office.

Yet even though both sides agree that the post office is comparable, they disagree about the number of square feet it has.”

The Court – having to do something – decided that fair rent was $171,187.

The IRS then wanted penalties. The IRS always wants penalties.

What for?

The Commissioner alleges that the first cause on this list – negligence or disregard of rules or regulations … - applies to Plentywood Drug ….”

The Court squinted and said: What? You brought a trial, the rent turned out to be within $20 grand of what the families deducted in the first place, we have heard far too much about appraising properties over frontier America and you have the nerve to say that there was negligence or disregard?

The Court adjusted the rent and nixed the penalties.

Our case this time was Plentywood Drug Inc v Commissioner, T.C. Memo 2021-45.

Sunday, August 5, 2018

Making A Comeback: Section 1202 Stock


We are going tax-geek for this post.

Let’s blame Daryl, a financial advisor with Wells Fargo. He has been studying and asking about a particular Code section.

Code Section 1202.


This section has been a dud since 1993, but last year’s changes to the tax Code have resurrected it. I suspect we will be reading more about Section 1202 in the future.

What sets up the tension is the ongoing debate whether it is better to do business as a “C” corporation (which pays its own tax) or an “S” corporation (whose income drops onto its owners’ individual returns, who pay tax on the business as well as their other personal income).

There are two compelling factors driving the debate:

(1) The difference between corporate and individual tax rates.

For most of my career, top-end individual tax rates have exceeded top-end corporate tax rates. Assuming one is pushing the pedal to the floor, this would be an argument to be a C corporation.

(2)  Prior to 1986, there was a way to liquidate (think “sell”) a C corporation and pay tax only once. The 1986 tax act did away with this option (except for highly specialized – and usually reorganization-type – transactions). Since 1986 a C corporation has to pay tax when it liquidates (because it sold or is considered to have sold its assets). Its assets then transfer to its shareholders, who again pay tax (because they are considered to have sold their stock).

Factor (2) has pretty much persuaded most non-Fortune-500 tax advisors to recommend S corporations, to the extent that most of the C corporations many tax practitioners have worked with since 1986 have been legacy C’s. LLC’s have also been competing keenly with S corporations, and advisors now debate which is preferable. I prefer the settled tax law of S corporations, whereas other advisors emphasize the flexibility that LLCs bring to the picture.

Section 1202 applies to C corporations, and it gives you a tax break when you sell the stock. There are hoops, of course:

(1)   It must be a domestic (that is, a U.S.) C corporation.
(2)   You must acquire the stock when initially issued.
a.     Meaning that you did not buy the stock from someone else.
b.    It does not mean only the first issuance of stock. It can be the second or third issuance, as long as one meets the $ threshold (discussed below) and you are the first owner.
(3)   Corporate assets did not exceed $50 million when the stock was issued.
a.     Section 1202 is more of a west-Coast than Midwest phenomenon. That $50 million makes sense when you consider Silicon Valley.
b.    If you get cute and use a series of related companies, none exceeding $50 million, the tax Code will combine you into one big company with assets over $50 million.
c.     By the way, the $50 million is tested when the stock is issued, not when you sell the stock. Sell to Google for a zillion dollars and you can still qualify for Section 1202.
(4)   You have owned the stock for at least five years.
(5)   Not every type of business will qualify.
a.     Generally speaking, professional service companies – think law, health, accounting and so on – will not qualify. There are other lines of businesses – like restaurants and motels - that are also disqualified.
(6)   Upon a qualifying sale, a shareholder can exclude the larger of (a) $10 million or (b) 10 times the shareholder’s adjusted basis in the stock.

Folks, a minimum $10 million exclusion? That is pretty sweet.

I mentioned earlier that Section 1202 has – for most of its existence – been a dud. How can $10 million be a dud?

Because it hasn’t always been $10 million. For a long time, the exclusion was 50% of the gain, and one was to use a 28% capital gains rate on the other 50%. Well, 50% of 28% is 14%. Consider that the long-term capital gains rate was 15%, and tax advisors were not exactly doing handstands over a 1% tax savings.

In 2010 the exclusion changed to 100%. Advisors became more interested.

But it takes five years to prime this pump, meaning that it was 2015 (and more likely 2016 or 2017) by the time one got to five years.

What did the 2017 tax bill do to resurrect Section 1202?

It lowered the “C” corporation tax rate to 21%.

Granted, it also added a “passthrough” deduction so that S corporations, LLCs and other non-C-corporation businesses remained competitive with C corporations. Not all passthrough businesses will qualify, however, and – in an instance of dark humor – the new law refers to (5)(a) above to identify those businesses not qualifying for the passthrough deduction.
COMMENT: And there is a second way that Section 1202 has become relevant. A tax advisor now has to consider Section 1202 – not only for the $10-million exclusion – but also in determining whether a non-C business will qualify for the new 20% passthrough deduction. Problem is, there is next to no guidance on Section 1202 because advisors for years DID NOT CARE about this provision. We were not going to plan a multiyear transaction for a mere 1% tax savings.
Nonetheless 21% is a pretty sweet rate, especially if one can avoid that second tax. Enter Section 1202.

If the deal is sweet enough I suppose the $10 million or 10-times-adjusted-basis might not cover it all.

Good problem to have.



Saturday, May 13, 2017

The Qualified Small Business Stock Exemption

Let’s say that you are going to start your own company. You talk to me about different ways to organize:

(1) Sole proprietor – you wake up in the morning, get in your car and go out there and shake hands. There is no paperwork to file, unless you want to get a separate tax ID number. You and your proprietorship are alter-egos. If it gets sued, you get sued.
(2) Limited liability company – you stick that proprietorship in a single-member LLC, writing a check to your attorney and secretary of state for the privilege. You gain little to nothing tax-wise, but you may have helped your attorney (and yourself) if you ever get sued.
(3) Form a corporation - a corporation is the old-fashioned way to limit your liability. Once again there is a check to your attorney and secretary of state. Corporations have been out there long before LLCs walked the land.

You then have to make a decision as to the tax flavor of your corporation: 

a.    The “C” corporation – think Krogers, Proctor & Gamble and Macy’s. The C is a default for the big boys – and many non-bigs. There are some goodies here if you are into tax-free reorganizations, spin-offs and fancy whatnot.

Problem is that the C pays its own tax. You as the shareholder then pay tax a second time when you take money out (think a dividend) from the C.  This is not an issue when there are a million shareholders. It may be an issue when it is just you.

b.    The “S” corporation – geared more to the closely-held crowd. The S (normally) does not pay tax. Its income is instead included on your personal tax return. Own 65% of an S and you will pay tax on 65% of its income, along with your own W-2, interest, dividends and other income.
This makes your personal return somewhat a motley, as it will combine personal, investment and business income into one. Don’t be surprised if you are considered big-bucks by the business-illiterate crowd.

The S has been the go-to corporate choice for family-owned corporations since I have been in practice. A key reason is avoiding that double-tax.

But you can avoid the double tax by taking out all profits through salaries, right?

There is a nerdy issue here, but let’s say you are right.

Who cares then?

You will. When you sell your company.

Think about it. You spend years building a business. You are now age 65. You sell it for crazy money. The corporation pays tax. It distributes whatever cash it has left-over to you.

You pay taxes again.

And you vividly see the tax viciousness of the C corporation.

How many times are you going to flog this horse? Apple is a multinational corporation with a quarter of a trillion dollars in the bank. Your corporate office is your dining room.

The C stinks on the way out.

Except ….

Let’s talk Section 1202, which serves as a relief valve for many C corporation shareholders when they sell.


You are hosed on the first round of tax. That tax is on the corporation and Section 1202 will not touch it.

But it will touch the second round, which is the tax on you personally.

The idea is that a percentage of the gain will be excluded if you meet all the requirements.

What is the percentage?

Nowadays it is 100%. It has bounced around in prior years, however.

That 100% exclusion gets you back to S corporation territory. Sort of.

So what are the requirements?

There are several:

(1) You have to be a noncorporate shareholder. Apple is not invited to this soiree.
(2) You have owned the stock from day one … that is, when stock was issued (with minimal exceptions, such as a gift).
(3) The company can be only so big. Since big is described as $50 million, you can squeeze a good-sized business in there. BTW, this limit applies when you receive the stock, not when you sell it.
(4) The corporation and you consent to have Section 1202 apply.
(5) You have owned the stock for at least 5 years.
(6) Only certain active trades or businesses qualify.

Here are trades or businesses that will not qualify under requirement (5):

(1) A hotel, motel, restaurant or similar company.
(2) A farm.
(3) A bank, financing, leasing or similar company.
(4) Anything where depletion is involved.
(5) A service business, such as health, law, actuarial science or accounting.

A CPA firm cannot qualify as a Section 1202, for example.

Then there is a limit on the excludable gain. The maximum exclusion is the greater of:

(1) $10 million or
(2) 10 times your basis in the stock

Frankly, I do not see a lot of C’s – except maybe legacy C’s – anymore, so it appears that Section 1202 has been insufficient to sway many advisors, at least those outside Silicon Valley.

To be fair, however, this Code section has a manic history. It appears and disappears, its percentages change on a whim, and its neck-snapping interaction with the alternative minimum tax have soured many practitioners.  I am one of them.

I can give you a list of reasons why. Here are two:

(1) You and I start the company.
(2) I buy your stock when you retire.
(3) I sell the company.

I get Section 1202 treatment on my original stock but not on the stock I purchased from you.

Here is a second:

(1) You and I start the company.
(2) You and I sell the company for $30 million.

We can exclude $20 million, meaning we are back to ye-old-double-tax with the remaining $10 million.

Heck with that. Make it an S corporation and we get a break on all our stock.

What could make me change my mind?

Lower the C corporation tax rate from 35%.

Trump has mentioned 15%, although that sounds a bit low.

But it would mean that the corporate rate would be meaningfully lower than the individual rate. Remember that an S pays tax at an individual rate. That fact alone would make me consider a C over an S.

Section 1202 would then get my attention.