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Showing posts with label rollover. Show all posts
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Sunday, March 15, 2015

Is There a Danger From A Nondirect IRA Rollover?



I have come to the conclusion that I do not like for folks to receive a check when they do an IRA rollover.

What are we talking about?

Say that you have an IRA at Fidelity and you want to transfer it to Vanguard. Another example is that you have a 401(k) with a previous employer, and you have decided to move out of the 401(k). In each case you are transferring money into an IRA, whether from another IRA or from an employer plan.  

There are two ways to do this:

(1)  Instruct Fidelity to send the monies directly to Vanguard. This is sometime referred to as a “trustee-to-trustee” or a “direct” rollover. Notice that you ever see the money, although you may feel the breeze as it rushes by.
(2)  Instruct Fidelity to send you a check and then you in turn will send the money to Vanguard.

Option two is fraught with danger, beginning with convincing Fidelity not to withhold taxes. They do not “know” that you are actually rolling the monies, and they do not want to be holding the bag if the IRS comes looking. If they withhold $1,000, as an example, you are going to have to reach into your wallet to transfer the full amount to Vanguard. Otherwise you will be $1,000 short, meaning that $1,000 will be taxable to you when it is time to file your taxes.

An equal or bigger danger is that the IRS allows you only 60 days to send that check on to Vanguard. Miss that deadline and the IRS will say that you flubbed the rollover, taxes (and perhaps penalties) are due and thanks for playing.

How do you get out of it? Well, you are going to have to formally ask the IRS for a waiver, and wait on the IRS to give it. This process is referred to as a “private letter ruling.” The IRS is issuing a ruling to you, and it is to you and you only (that is, “private.”)

Is expensive? It can be, not the least for a CPA’s time in drafting the thing. Depending upon the issue, the IRS might also charge you money, and that cost can go into the thousands.

How can you miss the 60 days? There seems to be an endless variety. One can get sick, have family emergencies, the financial institution can make a mistake. I have lost track of how many of these I have read over the years.

And now I am reading another. Let’s talk about it, as I can see this story sneaking up on someone.

The taxpayer – by the way, taxpayers in private letter rulings are anonymous. We need to give “anonymous” a name for this discussion, so we will call him Sam.

Anyway, Sam wants to move his IRA. He meets with an advisor, who cautions him that the “new” IRA trustee will charge for rolling the IRA. Sam would be much better off having the old trustee reduce everything to cash, and then sending the cash to the new trustee.

OBSERVATION: While the PLR does not dwell on it, there obviously are some difficult-to-sell assets in Sam’s IRA. It does not have to be anything esoteric – like platinum-plated gold from the moon. It could be something as simple as a non-traded REIT.

Sam contacts a representative of the old trustee and explains that he is rolling over his IRA.  He has opted to pursue option (2) above, and would they be so kind as to help him with the process. Not a problem, they say, although it might take a few months to reduce the IRA to cash.

And there is the first big red flag.


Sure enough, old trustee sends Sam checks – plural. Six checks in total, over a period of more than 60 days.

Second red flag.

Sam was clever though. Sam did not cash any of the checks, figuring that if he did not cash the check then the 60-day period did not start.

Sam finally sends all the checks over to new trustee, who realizes that there is a problem. What problem? The problem that the 60-day period does not work the way Sam thought.

New trustee contacts old trustee and requests that they issue a stop payment on the checks.

Good job.

You see, the stop payment means that the checks could not be cashed, rendering them not much of a check at all. Since they could not be cashed, the monies could never leave Sam’s old IRA, and the issue of a rollover becomes null and void.

There is one more step: getting the IRS to agree with the above line of reasoning.

Which Sam did with his private letter ruling (PLR).

And I suspect that the professional and filing fees for the PLR may approximate what the new trustee was going to charge for handling the transfer in the first place.

By the way, do you know how this should have been handled? By instructing the old trustee not to send a check until everything has been reduced to cash, and then to send one and only one check for the entirety of the account.

I know that, and you know that. But somewhere sometime someone will repeat this story. Which brings me to the conclusion that people should not do option (2) rollovers unless there is no other alternative.

It just isn’t worth the risk.

Sunday, June 29, 2014

What Happens To Inherited IRAs in Bankruptcy?



Let us discuss IRAs.

You may be aware that there is bankruptcy protection for IRAs. The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 exempts up to $1 million in IRAs created and funded by the debtor. Employer plans have even more favorable protection.

Why? The government has expressed interest that citizens be able to save for their retirement. This diminishes the odds of future government assistance and deemed in the public interest.

Fair enough. But I have one more question.

Let us say that you inherited the IRA. Does the above protection still apply to you?

Why wouldn’t it, you might ask. It is like an ice cream bar. It is still an ice cream bar whether you or I take it from the freezer, right?


This very question made it to the Supreme Court in the recent case of Clark v Rameker. While a bankruptcy case, it does have tax implications.

In 2001 Ruth Heffron established a traditional IRA and named her daughter as beneficiary.

NOTE:  “Traditional” means the classic IRA: contributions to it are deductible and withdrawals from it are taxable. Contrast this with a “nondeductible” IRA (contributions are nondeductible and withdrawals are taxable, according to a formula) and Roths (contributions are nondeductible and withdrawals are nontaxable).

Mrs Heffron passed away a year later – 2001 – and left approximately $400,000 to her daughter in the IRA account. Inherited IRAs have special rules on distributions, and one has to take distributions over a life expectancy or withdraw the entire balance within five years. Her daughter – Ms. Heffron-Clark - elected to use life expectancy with monthly distributions.

Fast forward to 2010 and Ms. Heffron-Clark and her husband file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The IRA has approximately $300,000 remaining, and you can bet that the couple considered the IRA to be an exempt asset. The unsecured creditors of the bankruptcy estate disagreed, thus beginning the litigation.

·       The Bankruptcy Court said that the IRA was not exempt and could be reached by creditors.
·       The District Court reversed, saying that the IRA was exempt and could not be reached by creditors.
·       The Appeals Court for the Seventh Circuit reversed, saying that the IRA was not exempt and could be reached by creditors.

This set up disagreement between the Fifth and Seventh Circuits, so the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case.

Believe it or not, the Bankruptcy Code does not define the term “retirement funds,” resulting in the above courts drawing such different conclusions. The Supreme Court declared that the term must be defined in order to arrive at a correct conclusion. The Court looked a dictionary and saw that “retirement” is defined as …

       … withdrawal from one’s occupation, business or office.”

The Court wanted to look at the legal characteristics of funds set aside for the day one stops working. It focused on three:

(1)  One can put additional monies into a retirement account.

POINT: One cannot put additional monies into an inherited account. In fact, if one inherits again, one cannot mingle the two accounts. Each is to remain separate and unique.

COUNTERPOINT: One cannot put additional monies into an IRA after age 70 ½.

(2)  Holders of an inherited account are required to begin distributions in the year following the death.

POINT: There are no age 59 ½ or 70 ½ minimum distribution requirements here. It does not matter whether the beneficiary is three years old or ninety-three; distributions must begin in the year following death, unless one fully depletes the account over 5 years.

OBSERVATION: The Court asked obvious question: how does this distribution requirement tie-in to the beneficiary’s retirement in any way?

(3)  The beneficiary can withdraw the entire balance at any time, without penalty.

POINT: You and I cannot do that with our own IRA until we are age 59 ½. 

OBSERVATION”: The Court noted that there is a ‘stick” if one wants to access a traditional IRA early – the 10% penalty. That expresses Congress’ intent to discourage use of traditional IRA s for day-to-day non-retirement purposes. The inherited IRA has no such prohibition. What does that say about Congress’ intent with inherited IRAs?

Rest assured that Ms Heffron-Clark was arguing furiously that the funds in that inherited IRA are “retirement funds” because, at some point, they were set aside for retirement.

The Court looked at the three criteria above and said that the inherited IRA certainly constitutes “funds,” but it cannot see how they rise to the level of “retirement funds.” They simply do not have the characteristics of normal retirement funds.

The Supreme Court unanimously decided that an inherited IRA do not constitute “retirement funds” and are not exempt from bankruptcy claims. Ms. Heffron-Clark’s creditors could in fact reach that $300 grand.

Granted, this is a bankruptcy case, but I see two immediate tax consequences from this decision:
(1) First, a surviving spouse (that is, the widow or widower) has a tax  option offered no other IRA beneficiary.
The surviving spouse can take the IRA as an inherited IRA (and be subject to bankruptcy claims) or he/she can rollover the IRA to his/her own personal name.
In the past, this decision was sometimes made based on the survivor’s age. For example, if the surviving spouse thought he/she might need the money before age 59 ½, the tax planner would lean towards an inherited IRA. Why? Because there is no 10% penalty for early withdrawals from an inherited IRA. There would be penalties on early withdrawals from a rollover IRA.
This decision now gives planners another reason to consider a spousal rollover.
(2) Second, there may be increased attention to IRA accumulation trusts.
A trust is allowed to be an IRA beneficiary, but at the cost of some highly specific tax rules. There are two types of permitted trusts. The first is the conduit trust. The trust receives the annual minimum required distributions (MRDs) but is required to immediately pay them out to the beneficiary.  While you may wonder what purpose this trust serves, consider that the trust – while unable to protect the annual income – can still protect the principal of the trust.

The second type is the accumulation trust. It is eponymous: it accumulates. There are no required distributions to the beneficiaries. The tax cost for this can be enormous, however. A trust reaches the maximum federal tax rate at the insanely low threshold of approximately $12,000. Obviously, this strategy works best when the beneficiaries are themselves at the maximum tax bracket.

The other point that occurred to me is the future of stretch IRAs. There has been considerable discussion about imposing a five-year distribution requirement (with very limited exceptions) on inherited IRAs. This of course is in response to the popular tax strategy of “stretch” IRAs. The stretch is easy to explain: I leave my IRA to my granddaughter. The IRA resets its mandatory distributions, using her life expectancy rather than mine (which is swell, as I am dead). Say that she is age 11. Whereas there are mandatory distributions, those distributions are spread out over the life expectancy of an eleven-year-old girl. That is the purpose and use of the “stretch.”

Consider that the Court just decided that an inherited IRA does not constitute “retirement funds.” This may make it easier for Congress to eventually do away with stretch IRAs.

Wednesday, April 9, 2014

IRA Rollover Decision Stuns Advisors



There was a recent Court decision that stunned and upset a number of tax and financial advisors. It has to do with IRA rollovers.

We need to be clear, though, on the type of rollover that we are talking about. There are two ways to rollover an IRA:

(1)  You have the trustee presently handling your IRA transfer the funds to another trustee. This is done trustee-to-trustee, and you never see the money. Let’s call this “Type 1.”
(2)  You have the trustee presently handling your money send you a check. You then have 60 days to transfer it to another trustee. If you go past the 60 days – say 61 – you have income, and possibly penalties. Let’s call this “Type 2.”

We are talking today about Type 2.


The IRS Publication on this matter is Publication 590, and here is its explanation on rollovers from one IRA to another. For those playing the home game, the following is from page 21:

Generally, if you make a tax-free rollover of any part of a distribution from a traditional IRA, you cannot, within a 1-year period, make a tax-free rollover of any later distribution from that same IRA. You also cannot make a tax-free rollover of any amount distributed, within the same 1-year period, from the IRA into which you made the tax-free rollover.

Example: You have two traditional IRAs, IRA-1 and IRA-2. You make a tax-free rollover of a distribution from IRA-1 into a new traditional IRA (IRA-3). You cannot, within 1 year of the distribution from IRA-1, make a tax-free rollover of any distribution from either IRA-1 or IRA-3 into another traditional IRA.

However, the rollover from IRA-1 into IRA-3 does not prevent you from making a tax-free rollover from IRA-2 into any other traditional IRA. This is because you have not, within the last year, rolled over, tax free, any distribution from IRA-2 or made a tax-free rollover into IRA-2."

So the IRS is saying that the one-year rollover limitation applies on an IRA-per-IRA basis.

How did tax pros work with this? Let’s say that someone has $1.05 million in an IRA. You have him/her split this (likely trustee-to-trustee) into seven IRAs, each with $150,000. You then have him/her roll $150,000 from IRA-1. Sixty days later, he/she draws $150,000 from IRA-2 to repay IRA-1, thereby resetting the 60-day clock. When that expires, he/she borrows from IRA-3 to repay IRA-2. And so on.

I have seen this done. I have never liked it. However Publication 590 said you could, so it was considered tax legitimate.

Now we look at Bobrow v Commissioner.

Here is the setup:

·       Bobrow received a $65,064 distribution from an IRA on April 14, 2008
·       Bobrow received a $65,054 distribution from an IRA on June 10, 2008
·       Bobrow’s wife received a $65,054 distribution from her IRA on July 31, 2008

Once you know the technique, it is easy to see it in practice.

The IRS said that the Bobrows had income for 2008, and it wanted taxes of $51,298, as well as penalties of $10,260.

The IRS laid-in with Section 408(d)(3)(B)(the bolding is mine):
408(d)(3)(B) LIMITATION.— This paragraph does not apply to any amount described in subparagraph (A)(i) received by an individual from an individual retirement account or individual retirement annuity if at any time during the 1-year period ending on the day of such receipt such individual received any other amount described in that subparagraph from an individual retirement account or an individual retirement annuity which was not includible in his gross income because of the application of this paragraph.

Did you notice the “an?” The Code does not refer to IRA-1 or IRA-2. Granted, the last sentence goes on to say “an” IRA not includible in gross income because of the application of this paragraph. I can see an interpretation limiting the rule to the IRA involved in the roll and not other IRAs the taxpayer may have. Apparently that was also the IRS’ reading in Publication 590.

The Tax Court said no. Its reading was one roll per year – that’s it, period. It does not matter how many IRAs the taxpayer has. The limit applies on a per-taxpayer and not a per-IRA basis. The Court held for the IRS, even for the penalties.

Now think about this for a second.

The Code outranks any IRS Publication in the hierarchy of tax authority. It has to, obviously. If an IRS publication misinterprets the Code, it is the Publication that has to step aside. It is unfortunate for those who relied on the Publication, but I understand the tax side of this.

But I do not understand the penalties. The IRS could have granted reasonable cause to the Bobrows and abated the penalties. Bobrow would present a good reason for his tax position in order to obtain abatement. Here is a good reason: relying on IRS Publication 590. The IRS nonetheless assessed penalties, and the Tax Court sustained the IRS.

And that to me is abusive tax practice. Good grief, this is like a game of three-card monte.


The decision surprised many advisors. It has certainly done away with serial Type-2 IRA rollovers. The IRS and the Tax Court have ended the technique of using multiple IRAs as bridge loan money. 

My advice? Make your rollovers trustee-to-trustee and this issue will not affect you.

Wednesday, December 4, 2013

A Rollover As Business Startup Got “ROB”bed



We have talked before about ROBS. This is when one borrows money from his/her IRA to start a business.  ROBS have become increasingly popular, and I have wandered in tax Siberia by being negative on them. I know a CPA in New Jersey who even used a ROBS to start his practice. I gave him some slack (but just a little) as he is a general accounting practitioner and not a tax specialist.

Here is the question I hear: what is one’s downside if it goes south? They can’t eat me, right?

My answer: you have blown up your IRA via a prohibited transaction. A prohibited is nothing to take lightly. It contaminates your IRA. All of it. Even the monies you leave behind in the IRA. This is a severe case of terminal.

Now I have a case to share with my clients: Ellis v Commissioner.

Mr. Ellis accumulated a sizable 401(k). In 2005 he formed an LLC (CST) to sell used cars. He moved $319,500 from his 401(k) to an IRA to acquire the initial membership units of CST. He worked there as general manager and received a modest W-2. CST made a tax election to be taxed as a corporation. It did this to facilitate the ROBS tax planning.

Mr. Ellis, his wife and children also formed another LLC (CDJ LLC) in 2005 to acquire real estate. Mr. Ellis did not use his IRA to fund this transaction.

In 2006 CDJ LLC leased its real estate to CST for $21,800. No surprise.

Mr. Ellis also received a larger – but still modest – W-2 for 2006.

The IRS swooped in on 2005 and 2006. They wanted:

·        Income taxes of $135,936 for 2005
·        Alternatively, income taxes of $133,067 for 2006
·        Early distribution penalties of 10%
·        Accuracy-related penalties of $27,187 for 2005 or $26,613 for 2006

What set off the IRS?

·        Mr. Ellis engaged in “prohibited transactions” with his IRA.
·        When that happened, his IRA ceased to be an “eligible retirement plan” as of the first day of that taxable year.
·        Failure to be an “eligible retirement plan” means that that the IRA was deemed distributed to him.
·        As he was not yet 59 ½ there would be early distribution penalties in addition to income tax.

When did this happen? Take your pick:

·        When Mr. Ellis used his IRA to buy membership interests in CST in 2005
·        When CST paid him a W-2 in 2005
·        When CST paid him a W-2 in 2006
·        When CST paid CDJ LLC (an entity owned by him and his family) rent in 2006

OBSERVATION: Do you see the danger with the ROBS? Chances are that you will be giving the IRS multiple points at which to breach your tax planning. You have to defend all points. Failure to defend one – just one – means the IRS wins.

Code section 4975 defines “prohibited transactions” with respect to a retirement plan, including IRAs. Its purpose is to prevent taxpayers from self-dealing with their retirement plan. The purpose of a retirement plan is to save for retirement. The government did not allow tax breaks intending for the plan to be a piggybank or an alternative to traditional bank loans.

Self-dealing with one’s retirement plan is per-se prohibited. It is of no consequence whether the deal is prudent, in the best-interest-of or outrageously profitable. Prohibited means prohibited, and the penalties are correspondingly harsh.

The Court proceeds step-by-step:

(1) CST did not have any shares or units outstanding when Mr. Ellis invested in 2005. Fortunately, there was precedent (in Swanson v Commissioner) that a corporation without shareholders is not a disqualified person for this purpose.

Mr. Ellis won this one.

(2) Mr. Ellis, feeling emboldened, argued that Code section 4975(c) did not apply because he was paid reasonable compensation for services rendered, or for the reimbursement of expenses incurred, in the performance of his duties with the plan.

The Court dryly notes that he was paid for being the general manager of CST, not for administrating the plan. Code section 4975(c) did not apply. Ellis was a disqualified person, and transfers of plan assets to a disqualified person are prohibited.

Mr. Ellis argued that the payment was from the business and not from his plan. The Court observed that the business was such a large piece of his IRA that, in reality, the business and his IRA were the same entity.

Mr. Ellis lost this one.

(3) Having determined the W-2 a prohibited transaction, it was not necessary for the Court again to consider whether the rent payment was also prohibited.

The Court goes through the consequences of Mr. Ellis blowing-up his IRA:

(1) Whatever he moved from his 401(k) to his IRA in 2005 is deemed distributed to him. He had to pay income taxes on it.

a.     The Court did observe that – since the IRA erupted in 2005 - it couldn’t again erupt in 2006. Thank goodness for small favors.

(2) Since Mr. Ellis was not age 59 ½, the 10% early distribution penalty applied.

(3) Since we are talking big bucks, the substantial underpayment penalty also applied for 2005. Ellis could avoid the penalty by showing reasonable cause.  He didn’t.

I suppose one could avoid IRA/business unity argument by limiting the ROBS to a small portion of one’s IRA. That would likely require a very sizeable IRA, and what would “small” mean in this context?

I disagree with the Court on the reasonable cause argument. ROBS are relatively recent, and takes a while for a body of law, including case law, to be developed. I find it chilling that the Court thought that the law and its Regulations were sufficiently clear that Mr. Ellis should have known better. Whereas I disagree with many of the ROBS arguments, I acknowledge that they are reasonable arguments. The Court evidently did not feel the same.

OBSERVATION: How long do you think it will be before ROBS are a “reportable transaction,” bringing disclosure to its promoters and attention to the taxpayer?

My thoughts?  I intend to give this case to any client or potential client who is considering a ROBS. I can see situations where a ROBS can still pass muster – if the taxpayer is a true and passive investor, for example. Problem is, that is not how ROBS are promoted. They are marketed to the prematurely and involuntarily unemployed, and as a way to fund a Five Guys Burgers and Fries franchise or that accounting practice in New Jersey. Odds are you will be working there, as you are too young to retire. You will not be passive. If you were passive, why not just buy Altria or Proctor & Gamble stock? You don’t need a ROBS for that.