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Sunday, August 8, 2021

Wiping Out An Inherited IRA


I came across an unfortunate tax situation this week.

It has to do with IRAs and trusts.

More specifically, naming a trust as a beneficiary of an IRA.

This carried a bit more punch before the tax law change of the SECURE Act, effective for 2020. Prior to the change, best planning for an inherited IRA frequently included a much younger beneficiary. This would reset the required distribution table, with the result that the monies could stay in the IRA for decades longer than if the original owner had lived. This was referred to as the “stretch” IRA. The SECURE Act changed that result for most beneficiaries, and now IRAs have to distribute – in general – over no longer than 10 years. 

Trusts created a problem for stretch IRAs, as trusts do not have an age or life expectancy like people do. This led to something called the “look-through” or “conduit” trust, allowing one to look-through the trust to its beneficiary in arriving at an age and life expectancy to make the stretch work.

The steam has gone out of the conduit trust.

One might still want to use a trust as an IRA beneficiary, though. Why? Here is an example:

The individual beneficiary has special needs. There may be income and/or asset restrictions in order to obtain government benefits.

What is the point, you ask? Doesn’t the IRA have to distribute to the individual over no more than 10 years?

Well … not quite. The IRA has to distribute to the trust (which is the IRA beneficiary) over no more than 10 years. The trust, in turn, does not have to distribute anything to its individual beneficiary.

This is referred to as an accumulation trust. Yes, it gets expensive because the trust tax rates are unreasonably compressed. Still, the nontax objectives may well outweigh the taxes involved in accumulating.

There is something about an inherited IRA that can go wrong, however. Do you remember something called a “60-day rollover?” This is when you receive a check from your IRA and put the money back within 60 days. I am not a fan, and I can think of very few cases where I would use or recommend it.

Why?

Because of Murphy’s Law, what I do and have done for over 35 years.

You know who can do a 60-day rollover?

Only a surviving spouse can use a 60-day rollover on an inherited IRA.  

You know who cannot do a 60-day rollover on an inherited IRA?

Anyone other than a surviving spouse.

It is pretty clear-cut.  

I am looking at someone who did not get the memo.

Here are the highlights:

·      Husband died.

·      The wife rolled the IRA into her own name (this is a special rule only for surviving spouses).

·      The wife died.

·      A trust for the kids inherited the IRA.

No harm, no foul so far.

·      The kids wanted to trade stocks within the IRA.

So it begins.

·      The IRA custodian told the kids that they would have to transfer the money someplace else if they wanted to trade.

No prob. The kids should have the IRA custodian transfer the money directly to the custodian of a new IRA that will let them trade to their heart’s content.

·      The kids had the IRA custodian transfer the money to a non-IRA account owned by the trust.

And so it ends.

The kids were hosed. They tried a Hail Mary by filing a private letter request with the IRS, asking for permission to put the money back in the IRA. The IRS looked at the tax law for a split second … and said “No.”

The IRS was right.

And, as usual, I wonder what happened with calling the tax advisor before moving around not-insignificant amounts of money.  

One can point out that taxes would have been payable as the kids withdrew money, and an inherited IRA has to distribute. If mom died in 2020 or later, the IRA would have to be distributed over no more than 10 years anyway.

Still, 10 years is 10 years. If nothing else, it would have given the kids the opportunity to avoid bunching all IRA income into one taxable year.

Not to mention paying for a private letter ruling, which is not cheap.

I hope they enjoy their stock trading.

The cite for the home gamers is PLR 202125007.

Friday, November 27, 2020

Another IRA-As-A-Business Story Gone Wrong

 

I am not a fan.

We are talking about using your IRA to start or own a business. We are not talking about buying stock in Tesla or Microsoft; rather we are talking about opening a car dealership or rock-climbing facility with monies originating in your retirement account. The area even has its own lingo – ROBS (Rollover for Business Start Ups), for example - of which we have spoken before.

Can it be done correctly and safely?

Probably.

What are the odds that it will not be done – or subsequently maintained - correctly?

I would say astronomical.

For the average person there are simply too many pitfalls.

Let’s look at the Ball case. It is not a standard ROBS, and it presents yet another way how using an IRA in this manner can blow up.

During 2012 Mr Ball had JP Morgan Chase (the custodian of his SEP-IRA) distribute money.

COMMENT: You have to be careful. The custodian can send the money to another IRA. You do not want to receive the money personally.

Mr Ball initiated disbursements requests indicating that each withdrawal was an early disbursement ….

         COMMENT: No!!!

He further instructed Chase to transfer the monies to a checking account he had opened in the name of a Nevada limited liability company.

         COMMENT: That LLC better be owned by the SEP-IRA.

Mr Ball was the sole owner of the LLC.

         COMMENT: We are watching suicide here.

Mr Ball had the LLC loan the funds for a couple of real estate deals. He made a profit, which were deposited back into the LLC.

At year-end Chase issued Forms 1099 showing $209,600 of distributions to Mr Ball.

         COMMENT: Well, that is literally what happened.

Mr Ball did not report the $209,600 on his tax return.

COMMENT: He wouldn’t have to, had he done it correctly.  

The IRS computers caught this and sent out a notice of tax due.

COMMENT: All is not lost. There is a fallback position. As long as the $209,600 was transferred back into an IRA withing 60 days, Mr Ball is OK.

ADDITIONAL COMMENT: BTW, if you go the 60-day route – and I discourage it – it is not unusual to receive an IRS notice. The IRS does not necessarily know that you rolled the money back into an IRA within the 60-day window.

This matter wound up in Tax Court. Mr Ball had an uphill climb. Why? Let’s go through some of technicalities of an IRA.

(1) An IRA is a trust account. That means it requires a trustee. The trustee is responsible for the assets in the IRA.

Chase was the trustee. Guess what Chase did not know about? The LLC owned by Mr Ball himself.

Know what else Chase did not know about? The real estate loans made by the LLC upon receipt of funds from Chase.

If Chase was the trustee for the LLC, it had to be among the worst trustees ever. 

(2)  Assets owned by the IRA should be named or titled in the name of the IRA.

Who owned the LLC?

Not the IRA.

Mr Ball’s back was to the wall. What argument did he have?

Answer: Mr Ball argued that the LLC was an “agent” of his IRA.

The Tax Court did not see an “agency” relationship. The reason: if the principal did not know there was an agent, then there was no agency.

Mr Ball took monies out of an IRA and put it somewhere that was not an IRA. Once that happened, there was no restriction on what he could do with the money. Granted, he put the profits back into the LLC wanna-be-IRA, but he was not required to. The technical term for this is “taxable income.”

And – in the spirit of bayoneting the dead – the Court also upheld a substantial underpayment penalty.

Worst. Case. Scenario.

Is there something Mr Ball could have done?

Yes: Find a trustee that would allow nontraditional assets in the IRA. Transfer the retirement funds from Chase to the new trustee. Request the new trustee to open an LLC. Present the real estate loans to the new trustee as investment options for the LLC and with a recommendation to invest. The new trustee – presumably more comfortable with nontraditional investments – would accept the recommendation and make the loans.

Note however that everything I described would take place within the protective wrapper of the IRA-trust.

Why do I disapprove of these arrangements?

Because – in my experience – almost no one gets it right. The only reason we do not have more horror stories like this is because the IRS has not had the resources to chase down these deals. Perhaps some day they will, and the results will probably not be pretty. Then again, chasing down IRA monies in a backdrop of social security bankruptcy might draw the disapproval of Congress.

Our case this time was Ball v Commissioner, TC Memo 2020-152.