IRA or 401(k): Which Is Better If You Get Fired?

Name me a major difference between an IRA and a 401(k).

I will give you the setup.

After 17 years in the construction industry, Mr C lost his job in 2010. He was unemployed for the next year and a half.

Mrs C was also going through a difficult stretch and lost her job. She was eventually reemployed, but at approximately half of her former salary.

Both Mr and Mrs C were age 56.

He depleted his savings. They then turned to the retirement accounts. You know why: they were trying to survive.

Mrs C took out approximately $4,000 from her retirement.

Mr C told his insurance agent to withhold taxes when he took distributions, as he did not want any surprises come tax time. He took monies out at different times, in different amounts and from different accounts. To add to the confusion, he was also sending money back to the insurance agent, presumably to settle-up on the income taxes withheld on the distributions.

All in all, he took out approximately $28,000.

Mr and Mrs C later received 1099s for approximately $17 thousand, which they reported on their tax return.

Question: what happened to the other $11,000 ($28 - $17)?

Who knows.

Unfortunately, the actual distributions taken from the retirement accounts were closer to $32,000.

Real … bad … accounting … happening … here.

But let’s be chivalrous: Mr and Mrs C did not receive all the 1099s. It happens.

The IRS – of course – did receive all the 1099s. They probably also have all the socks that go missing in clothes dryers, too.

And the IRS wanted tax on the $15,000 that Mr and Mrs C did not report.

No surprise.

And 10% penalties.

Must be that “early” distribution thing.

And more penalties on top of that, because that is the way the IRS rolls these days.

Not OK.

Mr and Mrs C represented themselves (“pro se”) at the Tax Court.

And I love their argument:

They had dutifully paid their taxes for more than 30 years without fault or complaint. Could the Court find it in its heart … you know, this one time?

The Court could not grant their argument, as you probably guessed. Thirty years of safe driving doesn’t mean you can go on a society-threatening tear one sodden Saturday night. It just doesn’t work that way.

The Court decided they owed the tax. They also owed the 10% penalty for early distribution.

What they didn’t owe was another IRS penalty on top of that. The Court found that they did the best they could and genuinely believed that the broker was using the monies Mr C forwarded to cover withholding taxes. They were as surprised as anyone when that wasn’t the case. It created a tax hole they could not climb out of, at least not easily.

Here is my question to you:

Did they take monies from their 401(k)s or from their IRAs?

Whatchu think?

I am thinking their IRAs.

Why?

An early distribution from an IRA is defined as age 59 ½. Unless there is an exception (you know, like, you died), you are going to get tagged with that 10% penalty.

On the other hand, the age test for a 401(k) is 55.

The Cs got tagged, thus I am thinking IRA.

To be fair, there is more to this exception. Here are some technicals:

•    It applies only to company sponsored plans, like 401(k)s.
•    It applies only to a plan sponsored by the company that let you go. That 401(k) at a former employer doesn’t qualify.

And here is the biggie:

·       You have to withdraw the money in the same year you are let go. You cannot stagger this over a period of years.

Why that last one?

Seems harsh to me. Isn’t it bad enough to be fired? Why not make it the year of discharge and the year following? Is Congress concerned that getting fired will become the next great tax shelter? How about lifetime pensions for 30+year tax CPAs?

Thought I would slip-in that last one.

Mr and Mrs C were age 56. Old enough for 401(k) relief, but too young for IRA relief.

BTW, if you need money over several years, there may be a way around the “you have to withdraw the money in the year you were let go” requirement.

How?

Roll your 401(k) money into an IRA.

Then start “substantially equal periodic payments” from the IRA. This has its own shortcomings, but it is an option.

And you can withdraw over more than one year without triggering a penalty.

Problem is: you have to withdraw over a minimum number of years and the annual payouts can vary only so much. It is of little help if you need money, lots of it and right now.

I do not believe we have spoken of “substantially equal” payments on this blog before. There is a reason: that is dry country and likely to send both of us into a coma. Let me see if I can find a case that is even remotely interesting. 

When Hardship Is Not Enough

Let’s talk a bit about hardship distributions from your retirement plan – perhaps your 401(k).

You may know that you are not supposed to touch this money before a certain age. If you do, not only will there be income taxes to pay, but also a 10% early withdrawal penalty. These are two moving pieces here: one is the income tax on the distribution and another for the 10% penalty.

Here is a question for you:

Let’s say you can withdraw money from your plan for hardship reasons. Does that mean that the penalty does not apply?

The answer is no. One would think that the two Code sections move in tandem, but they do not.

Candace Elaine ran into this in a recent Tax Court decision.

Candace lived in California, and in 2012 she withdrew $84,000 from her retirement plan. She had lost her job in 2009, and she was trying to support herself and family.

The tax Code applies two requirements to the income taxation of hardship withdrawals:

·        On account of an immediate and heavy financial need, and

·        Any amount withdrawn is limited to actual need

An “immediate and heavy financial need” would include monies needed for medical expenses or to avoid foreclosure. In addition, one is not allowed to withdraw $20,000 if the need is only $12,000, with the intention of using the excess for other purposes. 

The plan custodian is the watchman for these two requirements. The custodian is to obtain reasonable assurance of need and inquire whether other financial resources exist. This is a role above and beyond routine administration, and consequently many plans simply do not offer hardship withdrawals.

Candace met those requirements and her plan allowed withdrawals. She reported and paid income tax on the $84,000, but she did not pay the 10% penalty.

The IRS bounced her return. Off to Tax Court they went, where Candace represented herself.

Her argument was simple: I received a hardship distribution. There is an exemption for hardship.

The IRS said that there was not. And in the spirit of unemployed taxpayers trying to support their family, the IRS assessed a penalty on top of the 10% chop.

The Court pointed several exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty, including:

·        Separation from service

·        Disability

·        Deductible medical expenses

·        Health insurance premiums while unemployed

·        Higher education

·        First time purchase of a principal residence

There isn’t one for hardship, though.

Meaning that Candace owed the 10% penalty.

The Court did note that the misunderstanding on the 10% is widespread and refused to assess the IRS’ second penalty.

Why did Candace not just borrow the money from her 401(k) and avoid the issue? Because she had been let go, and you have to be employed in order to take a plan loan.

What if she had rolled the money into an IRA?

IRAs are not allowed to make loans, even to you. The only way you can get money out of an IRA is to take a distribution. This is what sets up the ROBs (Roll-Over as Business Start-Up) as a tax issue, for example.

Candace was stuck with the penalty.

Using a 401(k) to Supercharge a Roth

Let’s talk this time about a tax trick that may be available to you if you participate in a 401(k). The reason for the “may” is that – while the tax Code permits it – your individual plan may not. You have to inquire.

Let’s set it up.

How much money can you put into your 401(k) for 2015?

The answer is $18,000. If you are age 50 or over you can contribute an additional $6,000, meaning that you can put away up to $24,000.

Most 401(k)’s are tax-deductible. There are also Roth 401(k)’s. You do not get a tax break like you would with a regular 401(k), but you are putting away considerably more than you could with just a Roth IRA contribution.

Did you know that you might be able to put away more than $18,000 into your 401(k)?

How?

It has to do with tax arcana. A 401(k) is a type of “defined contribution” (DC) plan under the tax Code. One is allowed to contribute up to $53,000 to a DC plan for 2015. 

What happens to the difference between the $18,000 and the $53,000?

It depends. While the IRS says that one can go up to $53,000, your particular plan may not allow it. Your plan may cut you off at $18,000.

But there are many plans that will allow.  

Now we have something - if you can free-up the money.

Let’s say you max-out your 401(k). Your company also contributes $3,000. Combine the two and you have $21,000 ($18,000 plus $3,000) going to your 401(k) account. Subtract $21,000 from $53,000, leaving $32,000 that can you put in as a “post-tax” contribution. 

Did you notice that I said “post-tax” and not “Roth?” The reason is that a Roth 401(k) is limited to $18,000 just like a regular 401(k). While the money is after-tax, it is not yet “Roth.”

How do you make it Roth?

Prior to 2015, there had been much debate on how to do this and whether it could even be done. The issue was the interaction of the standard pro-rata rules for plan distributions with the unique ordering rule of Code Section 402(c)(2).

In general, the pro-rata rule requires you to calculate a pre- and post-tax percentage and then multiply that percentage times any distribution from a plan.

EXAMPLE: You have $100,000 in your 401(k). $80,000 is from deductible contributions, and $20,000 is from nondeductible. You want to roll $20,000 into a Roth account. You request the plan trustee to write you a $20,000 check, which you promptly deposit in a newly-opened Roth IRA account. 

           Will this work?

Through 2014 there was considerable doubt. It appeared that you were to calculate the following percentage: $20,000/$100,000 = 20%. This meant that only 20% of the $20,000 was sourced to nondeductible contributions. The remaining $16,000 was from deductible contributions, meaning that you had $16,000 of taxable income when you transferred the $20,000 to the Roth IRA. 

I admit, this is an esoteric tax trap.

But a trap it was. 

There were advisors who argued that there were ways to avoid this result. The problem was that no one was sure, and the IRS appeared to disagree with these advisors in Notice 2009-68. Most tax planners like to keep their tires on the pavement (so as not to get sued), so there was a big chill on what to do.

The IRS then issued Notice 2014-54 last September.

The IRS has clarified that the 401(k) can make two trustee-to-trustee disbursements: one for $80,000 (for the deductible part) and another of $20,000 (for the nondeductible). No more of that pro-rata percentage stuff.

There is one caveat: you have to zero-out the account if you want this result.

Starting in 2015, tax planners now have an answer.

Let’s loop back to where we started this discussion.

Let’s say that you make pretty good money. You are age 55. You sock away $59,000 in your 401(k) for five years. Wait, how did we get from $53,000 to $59,000? You are over age 50, so your DC limit is $59,000 (that is, $53,000 plus the $6,000 catch-up). Your first $24,000 is garden-variety deductible, as you do not have a Roth option. The remaining $35,000 is nondeductible. After 5 years you have $175,000 (that is, $35,000 times 5) you can potentially move to a Roth IRA. You may have to leave the company to do it, but that is another discussion.

Not a bad tax trick, though.

Be Careful If You Are An Executor For An Estate

I infrequently see estate returns. Granted, the fact that one does not need to file a federal estate return until one’s taxable estate exceeds $5,250,000 has a lot to do with it. Ohio has also helped by eliminating its estate tax, which used to apply with estates as low as $338,000. Some practitioners call this the “estate estate” return, as one is being taxed for owning property.

Then there is the estate “fiduciary” return. If you consider the estate return as a snapshot of one’s net worth at death, then the estate fiduciary is the income that net worth throws off until assets are finally transferred out of the estate and to the heirs.

One can have a sizeable estate and have no estate fiduciary return. How? Simple. One way is for the assets to transfer independent of a will, such as by joint ownership or by beneficiary designation. For example, a house owned jointly with a spouse will transfer automatically and without intervention of a probate judge. The same goes for IRAs with designated beneficiaries.

We have seen several times this year an estate with an estate fiduciary issue, although no “estate estate” return was required. What caused it? The deceased did not designate a beneficiary for his/her 401(k) at work or IRA outside work. The default is that the 401(k) or IRA goes to the estate. The attorney then holds up distributing cash because of other issues, such as bickering heirs.

Remember: the estate is filing an income tax return, the same as you are next month. An accountant has some discretion over picking the estate’s taxable year, but we cannot make its annual tax filings magically go away. If the estate gets that 401(k) and parks on it, it also gets the tax consequence of a 401(k): that is, there is tax due. There is no difference in tax because it goes to an estate rather than to you.

An estate – like a trust – however is an odd tax animal, as it can “give away” its taxable income. You and I cannot (for the most part) do that. It does so by distributing cash to the heirs, and any taxable income attaches to the cash like a bad cold.  

The estate wants to distribute cash the same year as it receives the 401(k). Why? To pull the income out of the estate fiduciary. Granted, this shifts the income to the heirs, but then again they received the cash.

We were dangerously close in a couple of cases where the attorney was delaying distributing cash and running out of days remaining in the estate tax year.

Then there is the worst-case scenario: the probate takes several years and the attorney holds up distributions until issues are resolved. The attorney finally sends the paperwork to the accountant, who is now reviewing transactions from years before. There is no planning possible. It is too late.

Let’s say that the estate received $700,000 of IRA proceeds in 2012.

The estate finally closed probate in 2014. Perhaps it was held up because of real estate. The attorney writes checks all around, holding back just enough money to pay the accountant.

And the accountant clues the attorney that the estate had tax on the IRA in 2012. So what, says the attorney; he/she made distributions to the heirs. Don’t distributions pull income with them?

Well, yes, but in the same taxable year. 2012 is not the same taxable year as 2014. The estate was supposed to pay tax for 2012. The heirs would like this result, as there would be no tax to them upon distribution in 2014.

But there is no cash left in the estate, says the attorney. What is the downside?

I am looking at U.S. v Shriner, a District Court case from Maryland. The facts are not complicated:

·       Mrs. Shriner passed away in June 2004.

·       She had failed to file income tax returns for 1997 and years 2000 through 2003.

·       The executors (Robert and Scott Shriner) hired a law firm to sort it out.

·       The law firm did and filed tax returns.

·       The IRS informed the law firm that over $230,000 was due in taxes.

·       The estate distributed over $470,000 to Robert and Scott, meaning that …

·       … the estate did not have enough cash to pay the IRS.

Robert and Scott were in trouble. They distributed assets of the estate, rendering it insolvent and unable to pay its taxes. They had better get the Court to believe that they did not know this would happen – and they could not have known this. They however failed to do so. The result? They were personally liable for the tax.

Wait a minute, you say. You mean that someone – let’s say you – could be liable because someone distributed estate assets to you, rendering the estate insolvent? How could you possibly know that?

No. What I am saying is that - if you are the executor and distribute assets in sufficient amount to leave the estate insolvent – you will be personally liable. You are the executor. You are supposed to know these things.

Combine that outcome with above-discussed tax due on a previous year IRA distribution. I have little doubt the attorney was writing distribution checks shortly after our conversation.

The President’s myRA

The President introduced something called a “myRA” at the State of the Union speech. He explained…

… while the stock market has doubled over the last five years, that doesn’t help folks who don’t have 401(k) s. That’s why, tomorrow, I will direct the Treasury to create a new way for working Americans to start their own retirement savings: myRA. It’s a savings bond that encourages folks to build a nest egg. myRA guarantees a decent return with no risk of losing what you put in.”

The idea here is to encourage small retirement savers. The concern is that routine bank or investment fees (for example, the annual “maintenance” fee for an IRA) may discourage some (or many) from saving for retirement. Under the myRA, the government picks up that tab. The concept makes sense.

The myRA would function as a Roth-type account. Monies going in would not be deductible for income taxes.

Contributions will be automatic, voluntary and small. Initial investments could be as low as $25 and ongoing contributions as low as $5. Contributions would be made through “automatic” payroll deductions.

COMMENT: “Automatic” meaning actual employers who pay people in actual payroll department to process these transactions. Automatic seems to mean “magical” inside the Washington beltway. 

The myRA big deal will be the savers account balance “will never go down.”

COMMENT: Somewhat like a savings account or certificate of deposit. There are – by the way – no annual fees for those accounts either. They are “magical.”

The myRA will earn the same interest rate as the federal employees Thrift Savings Plan Government Securities Investment Fund.

NOTE: Which returned 1.47% in 2012. Unfortunately, inflation for 2012 was 1.8%. The G Plan pays investors the investor the average return on long-term Treasury bonds.  

It will be available to households earning up to $191,000 annually.

Participants will be able to save up to $15,000, or for a maximum of 30 years. 

            COMMENT: Remember: this is a “starter” savings plan.

There would be a provision to transfer the account to a Roth IRA.

COMMENT: That part makes sense, as these accounts can be described as “Roth-lite.”

The President created this by executive action this past Wednesday.

            COMMENT: Really? 

Reflecting the crowd currently occupying it, this White House also wants to compel employers that do not offer myRA’s to offer automatic enrollment IRAs.

OBSERVATION: Approximately half of American workers are not covered by a retirement plan at work, propelling policy mandarins to talk about “mandatory” solutions to the retirement “problem.” I acknowledge the problem - two problems, in fact. First, that many people do not save enough. It might help if they had a job, though. Second, that these hacks and their “mandatory” solutions are themselves a problem.  

Call me completely underwhelmed.