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Showing posts with label 9465. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 9465. Show all posts

Sunday, August 16, 2020

Talking Frankly About Offers In Compromise


I am reading a case involving an offer in compromise (OIC).

In general, I have become disinclined to do OIC work.

And no, it is not just a matter of being paid. I will accept discounted or pro bono work if someone’s story moves me. I recently represented a woman who immigrated from Thailand several years ago to marry an American. She filed a joint tax return for her first married year, and – sure enough – the IRS came after her when her husband filed bankruptcy. When we met, her English was still shaky, at best. She wanted to return to Thailand but wanted to resolve her tax issue first. She was terrified.   

I was upset that the IRS went after an immigrant for her first year filing U.S. taxes ever, who had limited command of the language, who was mostly unable to work because of long-term health complications and who was experiencing visible - even to me - stress-related issues.

Yes, we got her innocent spouse status. She has since returned to Thailand.

Back to offers in compromise.

There are two main reasons why I shy from OIC’s:

(1) I cannot get you pennies-on-the-dollar.

You know what I am taking about: those late-night radio or television commercials.

Do not get me wrong: it can happen. Take someone who has his/her earning power greatly reduced, say by an accident. Add in an older person, meaning fewer earning years remaining, and one might get to pennies on the dollar.

I do not get those clients.

I was talking with someone this past week who wants me to represent his OIC. He used to own a logistics business, but the business went bust and he left considerable debt in his wake. He is now working for someone else.

Facts: he is still young; he is making decent money; he has years of earning power left.

Question: Can he get an OIC?

Answer: I think there is a good chance, as his overall earning power is down.

Can he get pennies on the dollar?

He is still young; he is making decent money; he has years of earning power left. How do you think the IRS will view that request?

(2) The multi-year commitment to an OIC.

When you get into a payment plan with the IRS, there is an expectation that you will improve your tax compliance. The IRS has dual goals when it makes a deal:

(a)  Collect what it can (of course), and

(b)  Get you back into the tax system.

Get into an OIC and the IRS expects you to stay out of trouble for 5 years. 

So, if you are self-employed the IRS will expect you to make quarterly estimates. If you routinely owe, it will want you to increase your withholding so that you don’t owe. That is your end of the deal.

I have lost count of the clients over the years who did not hold-up their end of the deal.  I remember one who swung by Galactic Command to lament how he could not continue his IRS payment plan and then asked me to step outside to see his new car.

Folks, there is little to nothing that a tax advisor can do for you in that situation. It is frustrating and – frankly – a waste of time.

Let’s look at someone who tried to run the five-year gauntlet.

Ed and Cynthia Sadjadi wound up owing for 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011.

They got an installment plan.

Then they flipped it to an OIC.

COMMENT: What is the difference? In a vanilla installment plan, you pay back the full amount of taxes. Perhaps the IRS cuts you some slack with penalties, but they are looking to recoup 100% of the taxes. In an OIC, the IRS is acknowledging that they will not get 100% of the taxes.

The Sadjadis were good until they filed their 2015 tax return. They then owed tax.

The reasoned that they had paid-off the vast majority if not all of their 2008 through 2011 taxes. They lived-up to their end of the deal. They now needed a new payment plan.

Makes sense, right?

And what does sense have to do with taxes?

The Court reminded them of what they signed way back when:

I will file tax returns and pay the required taxes for the five-year period beginning with the date and acceptance of this offer.

The IRS will not remove the original amount of my tax debt from its records until I have met all the terms and conditions of this offer.

If I fail to meet any of the terms of this offer, the IRS may levy or sue me to collect …..

The Court was short and sweet. What part of “five-year period” did the Sadjadis not understand?

Those taxes that the IRS wrote-off with the OIC?

Bam! They are back.

Yep. That is how it works.

Our case this time was Sadjadi v Commissioner, T.C. Memo 2019-58.


Sunday, July 5, 2020

Requesting A Payment Plan With Over $7 Million In The Bank


Sometimes I wonder how people get themselves into situations.

Let’s take a look at a recent Tax Court case. It does not break new ground, but it does remind us that – sometimes – you need common sense when dealing with the IRS.

The Strashny’s filed their 2017 tax return on time but did not pay the tax due.
COMMENT: In and of itself, that does not concern me. The penalty for failing to file a tax return is 10 ten times more severe than filing but not paying. If the Strashny’s were my client and had no money, I would have advised the same.
The 2017 return had tax due, including interest, of over $1.1 million.
COMMENT: Where did the money go? I am curious now.
In June, 2018 the IRS assessed the tax along with a failure-to-pay penalty.

In July, 2018 the Strashny’s sent an installment payment request. Because of the amount of money involved, they had to disclose personal financial information (Form 433-A). They wanted to stretch the payments over 72 months.
COMMENT: Standard procedure so far.
Meanwhile the IRS sent out a Notice of Intent to Levy letter (CP90), which seemed to have upset the Strashny’s.

A collection appeal goes before an IRS officer settlement officer (or “SO,” in this context). In April, 2019 she sent a letter requesting a conference in May.
COMMENT: Notice the lapsed time – July, 2018 to April, 2019. Yep, it takes that long. It also explains while the IRS sent that CP90 (Notice of Intent to Levy): they know the process is going to take a while.
The taxpayers sent and the SO received a copy of their 2018 tax return. They showed wages of over $200,000.

OK, so they had cash flow.

All that personal financial information they had sent earlier showed cryptocurrency holdings of over $7 million. Heck, they were even drawing over $19,000 per month on the account.

More cash flow.
COMMENT: Folks, there are technical issues in this case, such as checking or not checking a certain box when requesting a collection hearing. I am a tax nerd, so I get it. However, all that is side noise. Just about anyone is going to look at you skeptically if you cite cash issues when you have $7 million in the bank.
The SO said no to the payment plan.

The Strashny’s petitioned the Tax Court.
COMMENT: Notice that this case does not deal with tax law. It deals, rather, with tax procedure. Procedure established by the IRS to deal with the day-to-day of tax administration. There is a very difficult standard that a taxpayer has to meet in cases like this: the taxpayer has to show that the IRS abused its authority.
The Strashny’s apparently thought that the IRS had to approve their request for a payment plan.

The Court made short work of the matter. It reasoned that the IRS has (with limited exceptions) the right to accept or reject a payment plan. To bring some predictability to the process, the IRS has published criteria for its decision process. For example, economic hardship, ill health, old age and so on are all fair considerations when reviewing a payment plan.

What is not fair consideration is a taxpayer’s refusal to liquidate an asset.

Mind you, we are not talking a house (you have to live somewhere) or a car (you have to get to work). There are criteria for those. We are talking about an investment portfolio worth over $7 million.

The Court agreed with the IRS SO.

So do I.

Was there middle ground? Yes, I think so. Perhaps the Strashny’s could have gotten 12 or 24 months, citing the market swings of cryptocurrency and their concern with initiating a downward price run. Perhaps there was margin on the account, so they had to be mindful of paying off debt as they liquidated positions. Maybe the portfolio was pledged on some other debt – such as business debt – and its rash liquidation would have triggered negative consequences. That approach would have, however, required common sense – and perhaps a drop of empathy for the person on the other side of the table – traits not immediately apparent here.

They got greedy. They got nothing.

Our case this time was Strashny v Commissioner.

Sunday, February 17, 2019

IRS Individual Tax Payment Plans


I anticipate a question about an IRS payment plan this tax season. It almost always comes up, so I review payment options every year. It occurred to me that this topic would make a good post, and I could just send a link to CTG if and when the question arises.

Let’s review the options for individual taxes. We are not discussing business taxes in this post, with one exception. If the business income winds up on your personal return – say through a proprietorship or an S corporation – then the following discussion will apply. Why? Because the business taxes are combined with your individual taxes.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY BUT WILL SOON

You do not have the money to pay with your return, but you do have cash coming and will be able to pay within 120 days. This is a “short-term” payment plan. There is no application fee, but you will be charged interest.

BTW you will always be charged interest, so I will not say so again.

YOU OWE $10,000 OR LESS

You cannot pay with the return nor within 120 days, but you can pay within 3 years. This is the “guaranteed” payment plan. As with all plans, you have to be caught up with all your tax filings and continue to do so in the future.

If you are self-employed you can bet the IRS will require that you make estimated tax payments. I have seen this requirement sink or almost sink many a payment plan, as there isn’t enough cash to go around.

The IRS says they will not allow more than one of these plans every 5 years. I have had better luck, but (1) I got a good-natured IRS employee and (2) the combined tax never exceeded $10 grand. Point is: believe them when they say 5 years.

YOU OWE MORE THAN $10,000 BUT LESS THAN $25,000

This is a “streamlined” payment plan. Your payment period can be up to six years.  

As long as your balance is under $25 grand, the IRS will allow you to send a monthly check rather than automatically draft your bank account.

YOU OWE MORE THAN $25,000 BUT LESS THAN $50,000

This is still a “streamlined” plan, and the rules are the same as the $10-25 grand plans, but the IRS will insist on drafting your bank account.

DOWNSIDE TO THE GUARANTEED AND STREAMLINED PLANS

Have variable income and these plans do not work very well. The IRS wants a monthly payment. These plans are problematic if your income is erratic – unless you sit on a stash of cash no matter whether you are working or not. Then again, if you have such stash, I question why you are messing with a payment plan.

UPSIDE TO THE GUARANTEED AND STREAMLINED PLANS

A key benefit to both the guaranteed and the streamlined is not having to file detailed financial information. I am referring to the Form 433 series, and they are a pain. You have to attach copies of bank statements and provide documentation if you want more than IRS-provided amounts for certain cost-of-living categories. Rest assured that – whatever you think your “essential” bills are – the IRS will disagree with you.

Another benefit to the guaranteed and streamlined is avoiding a federal tax lien. I have had clients for whom the threat of a lien was more significant than the endless collection letters they received previously. Once the lien is in place it is quite difficult to remove until the tax debt is substantially paid.

YOU OWE MORE THAN $50,000

If you go over $50 grand you will have to provide Form 433 financial information, work your way through the cost-of-living categories, fight (probably) futilely with the IRS to spot you more than the tables and then agree on an amount that will pay off the debt over your remaining statute-of-limitations (collections) period.

If you are at all close to the $50,000 tripwire, SERIOUSLY consider paying down the debt below $50,000. The process, while not good times with old friends, will be easier.

YOU CANNOT PAY IT ALL OVER THE REMAINING COLLECTIONS PERIOD

It is possible that – despite the best you can do – there is no way to pay-off the IRS over the remaining statute-of-limitations (collections) period. You have now gone into “partial pay” territory. This will require Form 433 paperwork and working with a Collections officer. If one is badly injured in a car wreck and has indefinitely decreased earning power, the process may be relatively smooth. Have a tough business stretch but retain substantial earning power and the process will likely not be as smooth. 

HOW TO APPLY

There are three general ways to obtain a payment plan:

(1)   Mail
(2)   Call
(3)   Website

There is a charge for anything other than the 120-day plan. The cheapest way to go is to use the IRS website, but the charge – while more if not using the website – is not outrageous.

You use Form 9465 for mail.


Set aside time if you intend to call the IRS. You may want to download a movie.